{"id":6222,"date":"2011-12-30T11:56:41","date_gmt":"2011-12-30T19:56:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/redfindevelop.wpengine.com\/blog\/?p=6222"},"modified":"2020-10-06T14:36:59","modified_gmt":"2020-10-06T21:36:59","slug":"2011_prices_down_2012_hopes_up","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/2011_prices_down_2012_hopes_up\/","title":{"rendered":"2011 Prices Down, 2012 Hopes Up"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Happy new year Redfinnians!<\/p>\n<p>One more little gift under the tree for you! Just in time for the holidays, we released <a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/ipad\">Redfin for iPad<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p>Like a magnificent medieval triptych, the app has a three-in-one interface &#8212; a map, a kaleidoscope of listing photos, a single house in all its glory &#8212; all in one screen. The app shot to the front page of Apple&#8217;s App Store from the day of its debut.<\/p>\n<p>One other sugar-plum feature for Redfin fans: we now offer a monthly home report that shows you pictures and prices for all the homes that sold in the four or five blocks around your place. To sign up, just <a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/homes-for-sale\">search Redfin<\/a> for your home address, view the property&#8217;s details, then click the big sign-up link.<\/p>\n<h2>Hope and Darkness<\/h2>\n<p>The holiday spirit seems to have affected more than Redfin&#8217;s elf-engineers. Prices fell again, and yet analysts and investors are daft with the holiday spirit, convinced that <a href=\"https:\/\/redfindevelop.wpengine.com\">real estate<\/a> may finally be ready to recover. Why on the darkest day of the year, are we always so hopeful?<\/p>\n<p>One can only conclude that hopefulness is in our nature, and thank goodness it is! Let&#8217;s consider all the reasons this coming year will be better than the last.<\/p>\n<h2>Prices Down 1.2%<\/h2>\n<p>But first, that lump of coal! The latest numbers show prices fell 1.2%:<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"4\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr bgcolor=\"#e7e7e3\">\n<td><strong>Market<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>MoM Change<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>YoY Change<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Date of Max<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Change from Max<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Prices Last at<br \/>This Level<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong># of Months<br \/>of Decrease<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#f7f7f3'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/14240\/AZ\/Phoenix\u200e\">Phoenix Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>0.3%<\/td>\n<td>-5.1%<\/td>\n<td>Jun-06<\/td>\n<td>-55.8%<\/td>\n<td>Feb-00<\/td>\n<td>0<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/11203\/CA\/Los-Angeles\">Los Angeles Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-1.5%<\/td>\n<td>-4.9%<\/td>\n<td>Sep-06<\/td>\n<td>-39.6%<\/td>\n<td>Sep-03<\/td>\n<td>3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#f7f7f3'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/16904\/CA\/San-Diego\">San Diego Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-0.6%<\/td>\n<td>-4.5%<\/td>\n<td>Nov-05<\/td>\n<td>-38.9%<\/td>\n<td>Oct-02<\/td>\n<td>3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/17151\/CA\/San-Francisco\">San Francisco Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-0.7%<\/td>\n<td>-4.7%<\/td>\n<td>May-06<\/td>\n<td>-39.4%<\/td>\n<td>Jan-01<\/td>\n<td>3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#f7f7f3'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/5155\/CO\/Denver\">Denver Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-0.2%<\/td>\n<td>-0.9%<\/td>\n<td>Aug-06<\/td>\n<td>-10.6%<\/td>\n<td>Jun-02<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/12839\/DC\/Washington-DC\">Washington DC Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-0.3%<\/td>\n<td>1.3%<\/td>\n<td>May-06<\/td>\n<td>-25.4%<\/td>\n<td>May-04<\/td>\n<td>1<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#f7f7f3'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/30756\/GA\/Atlanta\">Atlanta Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-5.0%<\/td>\n<td>-11.7%<\/td>\n<td>Jul-07<\/td>\n<td>-33.2%<\/td>\n<td>Aug-98<\/td>\n<td>3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/29470\/IL\/Chicago\u200e\">Chicago Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-1.8%<\/td>\n<td>-4.8%<\/td>\n<td>Sep-06<\/td>\n<td>-31.0%<\/td>\n<td>Aug-01<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#f7f7f3'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/1826\/MA\/Boston\u200e\">Boston Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-1.1%<\/td>\n<td>-1.1%<\/td>\n<td>Sep-05<\/td>\n<td>-16.3%<\/td>\n<td>May-03<\/td>\n<td>3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/10201\/NV\/Las-Vegas\">Las Vegas Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-1.5%<\/td>\n<td>-8.5%<\/td>\n<td>Aug-06<\/td>\n<td>-60.7%<\/td>\n<td>Jul-97<\/td>\n<td>4<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#f7f7f3'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/30749\/NY\/New-York\">New York City Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-1.2%<\/td>\n<td>-2.0%<\/td>\n<td>Jun-06<\/td>\n<td>-22.1%<\/td>\n<td>Mar-04<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/30772\/OR\/Portland\">Portland Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-0.5%<\/td>\n<td>-4.7%<\/td>\n<td>Jul-07<\/td>\n<td>-27.4%<\/td>\n<td>Dec-04<\/td>\n<td>1<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#f7f7f3'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/30794\/TX\/Dallas\">Dallas Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-0.9%<\/td>\n<td>-0.6%<\/td>\n<td>Jun-07<\/td>\n<td>-8.7%<\/td>\n<td>May-04<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#FFFFFF'>\n<td><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/city\/16163\/WA\/Seattle\">Seattle Real Estate<\/a><\/strong><\/td>\n<td>-1.0%<\/td>\n<td>-6.2%<\/td>\n<td>Jul-07<\/td>\n<td>-30.2%<\/td>\n<td>Aug-04<\/td>\n<td>3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr bgcolor='#f7f7f3'>\n<td><strong>20 City Index<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>-1.2%<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>-3.4%<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>Jul-06<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>-32.1%<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>May-03<\/strong><\/td>\n<td><strong>2<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<h2>Case-Shiller Home Price Index for October 2011, Not Seasonally Adjusted<\/h2>\n<p>Three months ago, we said that <a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/blog\/2011\/09\/get_the_goods_on_1_million_agents_september_roundup.html\">price gains were just a summer fling<\/a>. Sure enough, once you adjust for seasonal swings, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.calculatedriskblog.com\/2011\/12\/case-shiller-house-prices-fall-to-new.html\">the index is now at a new post-bubble low<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But hey, it could be worse: last October, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.calculatedriskblog.com\/2011\/12\/real-house-prices-and-house-price-to.html\">experts predicted a 5% &#8211; 10% drop but in fact prices over the past year dropped only 3% &#8211; 4%<\/a>. As we&#8217;ve been <a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/blog\/2011\/12\/the_market_spends_another_day_in_its_bathrobe_but_feeling_better.html\">saying all along<\/a>, we&#8217;re at a rocky bottom with a downward trend.  The West is stable:<\/p>\n<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/CSWest.png\" alt=\"Case Shiller Home Price Index - West\" width=\"578\" height=\"327\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6220\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/CSWest.png 578w, https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/CSWest-300x170.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 578px) 100vw, 578px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The East and Midwest, slightly less so, mostly because <a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/blog\/atlanta\/2011\/12\/29\/case-shiller-atlantas-home-price-hammering-continues\/\">Atlanta fell off a cliff<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/CSEast.png\" alt=\"Case Shiller Home Price Index - East\" width=\"574\" height=\"324\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6219\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/CSEast.png 574w, https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/CSEast-300x169.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 574px) 100vw, 574px\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Sure, Call It a Comeback If You Like<\/h2>\n<p>Now our favorite housing swami, the studly Bill McBride at Calculated Risk, has said that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.calculatedriskblog.com\/2011\/12\/real-house-prices-and-house-price-to.html\">most of the price declines are over<\/a>. All week, the most-emailed story in the Wall Street Journal has been about <a href=\"http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB10001424052970204296804577124991922170830.html\">the hedge funds now buying up residential real estate<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Big money is starting to wager on housing. Hedge funds run by Caxton Associates LP, SAC Capital Advisors LP, Avenue Capital and Blackstone Group LP have been buying housing-related investments, betting on a rebound. And formerly bearish research firm Zelman &amp; Associates now predicts a housing pickup, as does Goldman Sachs Group Inc.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>We aren&#8217;t surprised: all year, Wall Street has bombarded our site with web robots trying to download data in bulk. But the Street has been wrong before. As one analyst cautioned: &#8220;The smartest money in the world has been carried out on stretchers betting on a true recovery for housing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h2>You Want Good News? We&#8217;ve Got Plenty<\/h2>\n<p>What has convinced some investors that the housing market will be nice instead of naughty? All sorts of good news:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>New construction is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.crgraphs.com\/2011\/10\/housing-graphs.html\">finally doing better<\/a>, with <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.wsj.com\/developments\/2011\/12\/23\/behind-the-numbers-daylight-for-new-home-sales\/\">inventory low, sales rising and confidence rising too<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>As <a href=\"https:\/\/redfin.com\/blog\/2011\/12\/the_market_spends_another_day_in_its_bathrobe_but_feeling_better.html\">we predicted last month<\/a>, pending home sales <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realtor.org\/press_room\/news_releases\/2011\/12\/phs_nov\">hit a 19-month high<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Actual closed home sales <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realtor.org\/press_room\/news_releases\/2011\/12\/ehs_nov\">increased 4%<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>The number of homes on the market <a href=\"http:\/\/www.calculatedriskblog.com\/2011\/12\/existing-home-inventory-declines-18.html\">declined 18% over the past year<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>And to almost everyone&#8217;s surprise, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.calculatedriskblog.com\/2011\/12\/lawler-completed-foreclosure-sales-in.html\">foreclosure sales fell to a four-year low<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>But don&#8217;t get cocky kid! Our own opinion is that home prices won&#8217;t fall or rise much in 2012. Prices can&#8217;t rise far before banks and regular home-owners put more properties on the market. And they can&#8217;t fall far because of increasing rents and &#8212; for now &#8212; declining foreclosures.<\/p>\n<h2>The Monster Under the Bed<\/h2>\n<p>The $24,000 question is: will foreclosures come back with a vengeance? Insiders warn that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.calculatedriskblog.com\/2011\/12\/lawler-completed-foreclosure-sales-in.html\">the backlog of foreclosed properties is &#8220;shockingly large,&#8221;<\/a> a point no one disputes.<\/p>\n<p>We worry about this, but less than others: the banks themselves don&#8217;t want to go back to 2008, when they ruined their own balance sheets by flooding the market with foreclosures at fire-sale prices. And many home-owners fretting about expiring teaser rates are discovering that the new rate is lower than the old one.<\/p>\n<h2>Rates Are Low, and May Stay That Way<\/h2>\n<p>So what I worry about is interest rates. How long can the whole economy hold together given the apocalyptic politics around U.S. budget deficits? Rates keep falling, now to 3.95%, and government lenders now expects rates to remain low <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.wsj.com\/developments\/2011\/12\/14\/freddie-low-mortgage-rates-to-hang-around-next-year\/\">at least through mid-2012<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/Rates.png\" alt=\"Interest Rates Falling\" width=\"456\" height=\"277\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6221\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/Rates.png 456w, https:\/\/www.redfin.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/12\/Rates-300x182.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 456px) 100vw, 456px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Which brings us to our final prediction for 2012. If prices are low and relatively stable, and rates remain very low, sales will pick up. Just a guess. Or maybe a hope. Happy new year, and thanks for all your Redfin support!<\/p>\n<p>Best, Glenn<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Happy new year Redfinnians! One more little gift under the tree for you! Just in time for the holidays, we released Redfin for iPad! Like a magnificent medieval triptych, the app has a three-in-one interface &#8212; a map, a kaleidoscope of listing photos, a single house in all its glory &#8212; all in one screen. 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